1. What motivates you in politics?
Politics is something that always interested
me and I feel a sense of belonging to my community, and also a sense of
responsibility. That entails my taking an interest in current events, and,
especially, what our liberal democratic politicians are doing. To me, our
liberal democratic politicians who win office do not see their appointment as a
duty, as a means of helping the people: they just see it as a job with perks.
Liberal democratic politicians are mainly involved in internal party politics,
internal power games, and seem to be interested only in satisfying the
lobbyists who financed their last campaign. Most of the politicians do not
serve their constituents, but only the party they belong to.
What is more, the
political agenda of the liberal democratic system is not the interest of the
local communities and the average person on the street, and their identity and
culture; instead, it is globalism, political correctness and social
engineering. The politicians today are economic managers, technocrats,
not leaders of the people – for the people. They claim to be democrats, but
they are really master manipulators.
So, to me, the
main concerns are the future of my people, and my children. I like travelling
in countries outside of Australia, because I like to experience different
cultures and people. To me, globalisation is threatening to deform existing
cultures; it wants to create a world monoculture to replace existing diversity.
Which is why I am a National-Anarchist: it is the radical answer to
globalisation and the tyranny of liberal democracy. I believe in social justice
for all people, including the people of European heritage.
I take a can-do
approach to activism: I can’t expect other people to do the dirty work if I am
not prepared to do it myself.
On a personal
level, the people who inspire me – my political heroes - include Che, Hugo
Chavez, Julius Evola and Troy Southgate.
2. How do you see your movement
Anarchism and the New Right as a whole are not organisations that one can join
as a member in the usual sense. In that respect, we are different from the
political parties. So we try to create a mass movement out of which a political
party can grow organically. That, the movement, needs to be taken care of
first. Look at One Nation and how it failed because it didn’t have the
As for my own
experience, I became involved with the National Anarchists nine years ago, via
the Internet. It took me a long time understand what it all meant. In 2006 I
started my own little blog and advertised the
ideology of National-Anarchism to the broader political community. Because we
National Anarchists have a completely different approach to politics, it takes
time to change people’s perception of what National-Anarchism is and what we
National-Anarchists want. But we are slowly getting there, and more and more
people accept us.
At the moment we
in the New Right Australia/New Zealand have active groups in Sydney, Newcastle,
Canberra, Melbourne and Perth. And, since the New Right Australia/New Zealand
blog started 2 ½ years ago, we have a New Right website. Several followers of the New Right and National
Anarchism have started their own national Anarchist blogs. We are working on a
National-Anarchist magazine, and have our own line of New Right and
National-Anarchist merchandise like shirts and books.
We have supporters
that are from the traditional Left, and one of our strategies is to spread the
word at universities - and amongst the ‘middle class’, as they have the most to
3. What are your movement’s goals and how
do you hope to achieve them?
Well, there are
two different hats I myself am wearing – one as a National-Anarchist and one as
a follower of the New Right.
The goals of the
New Right are to teach the people to think outside the political box they are
in; to reach out to intellectuals; to form discussion groups; to act as a
leading nationalist think-tank in Australia; to break down the divide between
Left and Right, and start a dialogue between all political groups; and, in general,
to educate people politically.
In my view, the
National-Anarchists are the activists of the New Right. At least here in
Australia. The goal of the National-Anarchists is to engage in street activism
(e.g., the APEC demonstration at Sydney in 2007; local community work) and
confuse the so-called traditional Left, including the mainstream anarchists,
with our message and our conduct, so that they will start to think beyond their
dogmas. Ultimately, National-Anarchism aims at an Australia of autonomous communities
which are self-sufficient. That might sound like an unrealistic goal, but
nothing is impossible when the people are strong enough and have a will to want
4. Are you open to the idea of politics
outside the ballot box, e.g. demonstrations, local community politics, cultural
Most definitely. I
come from a tradition of German nationalist activism which emphasises
demonstrations, community activism, cultural festivals and the like as a means
of carrying one’s message to the people. One of the advantages of community
work is that breaks down people’s misconceptions (implanted in them by the
liberal democratic media, Hollywood, etc.) of what nationalism is and what sort
of people nationalists are. It is propaganda of the deed, so to speak. So I am
engaging, with my fellow National-Anarchist activists, in volunteer work for my
local community, and so far, it has been a big success. We see local community
work as the corner stone of our success in the future.
NA/NR activists with a “Globalisation is Genocide!” banner
5. Do you see co-operation between
patriots as a way we can all move forward together?
At the moment, the
so-called patriotic movement is its own worst enemy. The problems are
infighting; too many chiefs and not enough Indians; people and groups being too
busy arguing on what separates them and not what unites them; nationalists not
being lateral thinkers; large numbers of nationalists thinking only in liberal
democratic terms (political parties, ballot boxes); and nationalists being
patriotic and nationalist in an emotional sense only, i.e., they don’t have any
real ideology aside from that feeling of patriotism.
My solution is:
nationalists need to concentrate on what they have in common; and, they have to
throw their political dogmas away and start thinking in politically-inclusive
terms. Too often do I hear that as Nationalists you have to hate the ‘Left’
without even knowing what the left is or what they want. And look at the ‘Left’
– they hate everything what is ‘Right’ or ‘National’ without any knowledge of
what they stand for. If these two sides would try to understand a bit more
about each other they would be surprised to find out how much they have in
common and that the real enemy is the liberal democratic system and not each
other. They also need to stop being keyboard commandoes and to get active in
their communities, e.g., join the SES or other volunteer organisations. Too
many ‘Nationalists’ have too much time on their hands, otherwise they wouldn’t
spend so much time behind the PC and insult each other in all the different
is, ‘Live what you believe in, be true to your core values and respect other
6. Would you and other key personnel in
the movement be interested in attending and being guest speakers at meetings of
parties and groups that are part of the overall movement?
We in the New
Right talk to everybody, and not only to the groups that are so called ‘Nationalist’.
We see politics as inclusive and not exclusive: therefore, there are no
boundaries as to who we talk to. I think that political dialogue is important
to overcome today’s social problems. So we talk to people from every political
orientation, from the union movement, ‘Left’ groups, ‘Right’ groups, people of
all religious faiths... I will even talk to the pigeon club if it gives me an
opportunity to spread the word of National-Anarchism and New Right.
We don’t want to
limit our message to one segment of the community. Only through political
education can we spread our message and break the media smears and public
perception against the New right and National Anarchists.
7. What is your vision for the Australian
What is the
Australian Nation and what is the Australian way of life? By law everybody is
an Australian if they have an Australian passport. I disagree with that ‘civic
nationalist’ view, of course.
Ideally, what I would like to see is an Australia which is a country with many
autonomous communities that control their own local affairs. That means no
state government, but one needs a federal body that controls foreign affairs. I
want a country of free people who can determine their own destiny and future.
that is, for the time being – I want to see a society that rejects liberal
democracy. We should form our own groups of friends and associates, and
interact with them, and exchange labour and goods within those groups. By doing
that, we will form a parallel society. That is, we have a National-Anarchist
system within a system.
8. Any last words?
Be open-minded but never forget your own core values. Stop bickering and
keep in mind what is at stake. And never forget what Mao once said: “A journey
of a thousand miles starts with a single step.”
you for giving me the opportunity to explain what National Anarchism is and
what the New Right tries to achieve. If you have any more questions, please
don’t hesitate to visit our websites or to contact us.
This interview was published by Destiny Magazine, a leading Australian nationalist magazine, in its 3rd edition. Destiny can be obtained via their web site at: